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		<title>By: The Filipino: Worth dying for? 22% of Filipinos disagree</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Filipino: Worth dying for? 22% of Filipinos disagree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In essence, from pinning &#8220;hope&#8221; on heroic individuals, de Quiros now proposes that we pin our &#8220;hopes&#8221; on the nebulous concept of &#8220;The Filipino&#8221; &#8212; a term that to this day defies all intelligent attempts at objective definition. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice framework. It follows a kind of a coming-of-age theme mixed with Nick Joaquin&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Candido&#039;s Apocalypse&lt;/i&gt; and Salinger&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Catcher in the Rye&lt;/i&gt; journey-of-coming-to-terms story line.

And I can see the implied parallels with some of the issues around &lt;i&gt;approaches to thinking&lt;/i&gt; that Pinoys collectively struggle with in their regard to authority, freedom, and personal accountability.</description>
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<p>Nice framework. It follows a kind of a coming-of-age theme mixed with Nick Joaquin&#8217;s <i>Candido&#8217;s Apocalypse</i> and Salinger&#8217;s <i>Catcher in the Rye</i> journey-of-coming-to-terms story line.</p>
<p>And I can see the implied parallels with some of the issues around <i>approaches to thinking</i> that Pinoys collectively struggle with in their regard to authority, freedom, and personal accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle pinoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle pinoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and to answer your original question:  be a teacher.  Start with high school or even elementary school age kids who are more attentive to what you have to say.  Teach them to make the right choices.  Tell them about what went through Ara&#039;s head growing up.  Instruct them how to handle the angst.  Advise them that anger and isolation are not the answers.  Inform them that hardships produce character.

Finally, search for the truth yourself, K.  There is an answer.</description>
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<p>Oh, and to answer your original question:  be a teacher.  Start with high school or even elementary school age kids who are more attentive to what you have to say.  Teach them to make the right choices.  Tell them about what went through Ara&#8217;s head growing up.  Instruct them how to handle the angst.  Advise them that anger and isolation are not the answers.  Inform them that hardships produce character.</p>
<p>Finally, search for the truth yourself, K.  There is an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle pinoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle pinoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start writing it, K - it has the makings of a bestseller.  =)

&quot;[C]hange is an individual choice and to force others to accept a truth is to be paternalistic and authoritarian.&quot;  This is a good central theme of your novel-to-be.  I don&#039;t know if you are offering this as a solution, but personally I think this is as good a &quot;solution&quot; as anything we&#039;ve suggested so far.  It may not be a solution in concrete &quot;to-do&quot; terms, but it may be a solution in terms of a &quot;thought process&quot;.  Government may try to influence certain behavior through taxes and programs, but government should never be paternalistic and authoritarian.

Another great solution you mentioned is &quot;Kill all politicians&quot;.  Kidding.  Well, almost.</description>
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<p>Start writing it, K &#8211; it has the makings of a bestseller.  =)</p>
<p>&#8220;[C]hange is an individual choice and to force others to accept a truth is to be paternalistic and authoritarian.&#8221;  This is a good central theme of your novel-to-be.  I don&#8217;t know if you are offering this as a solution, but personally I think this is as good a &#8220;solution&#8221; as anything we&#8217;ve suggested so far.  It may not be a solution in concrete &#8220;to-do&#8221; terms, but it may be a solution in terms of a &#8220;thought process&#8221;.  Government may try to influence certain behavior through taxes and programs, but government should never be paternalistic and authoritarian.</p>
<p>Another great solution you mentioned is &#8220;Kill all politicians&#8221;.  Kidding.  Well, almost.</p>
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		<title>By: Katierhoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katierhoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solutions are nothing new really. They are what we keep pointing out. But here is a crude description of the plot:

It describes the experiences of a female protagonist (Let&#039;s call her Ara) educated in the typical Pinoy values and the lessons she concludes from her deliberations. 
There are five major life stages and here are the lessons:

Childhood - adults and other recognized authority figures have power over you because you say &quot;yes&quot; to them. To gain freedom you have to say &quot;no.&quot; This is the stage when we realize the stupidity of what was taught to us and had the courage to admit it.

Teens - after saying &quot;no&quot; Ara wants to rebel. This is the immature stage in life when we think the answer to everything is to rebel and destroy, kinda like the way some activists say &quot;Kill all politicians&quot; THis also shows how Ara is human and does not have the answers from the very beginning but must experience hardships before she discovers the &quot;truth&quot; whatever this truth is.

Late teens - Rebellion fails because the world is stronger than an angry teenager. Ara turns to isolation. This is the part which describes how A deals with the personal aspects of her existence. This is also a description of how we can become jaded and pessimistic after a major failure and so forget about such nobel goals.

Early 20s - Isolation is not the answer. Ara can&#039;t deny her nature and she becomes increasingly restless in her isolation till she realizes somehow that the answer is idealism. This is the stage in life when we become self-righteous because we think we have found the truth and so we make other people agree with us or else we call them idiots. This stage is similar to the early teens but with less angst. It&#039;s also a transition period from pseudo-intellectualism/dogmatic acceptance of an ideology to mature intellectual thought. 

Late 20s - Ara becomes more realistic and realizes change is an individual choice and to force others to accept a truth is to be paternalistic and authoritarian. We cannot be absolutely sure of the truth or correctness of our beliefs. This stage describes how Ara becomes a true intellectual.

It seems rather long from the looks of it, but I mimic Tolstoy&#039;s style in War and Peace where he lingers on significant scenes and fast-forwards the insignificant ones even jumping several months or years. 

Cheers!</description>
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<p>The solutions are nothing new really. They are what we keep pointing out. But here is a crude description of the plot:</p>
<p>It describes the experiences of a female protagonist (Let&#8217;s call her Ara) educated in the typical Pinoy values and the lessons she concludes from her deliberations.<br />
There are five major life stages and here are the lessons:</p>
<p>Childhood &#8211; adults and other recognized authority figures have power over you because you say &#8220;yes&#8221; to them. To gain freedom you have to say &#8220;no.&#8221; This is the stage when we realize the stupidity of what was taught to us and had the courage to admit it.</p>
<p>Teens &#8211; after saying &#8220;no&#8221; Ara wants to rebel. This is the immature stage in life when we think the answer to everything is to rebel and destroy, kinda like the way some activists say &#8220;Kill all politicians&#8221; THis also shows how Ara is human and does not have the answers from the very beginning but must experience hardships before she discovers the &#8220;truth&#8221; whatever this truth is.</p>
<p>Late teens &#8211; Rebellion fails because the world is stronger than an angry teenager. Ara turns to isolation. This is the part which describes how A deals with the personal aspects of her existence. This is also a description of how we can become jaded and pessimistic after a major failure and so forget about such nobel goals.</p>
<p>Early 20s &#8211; Isolation is not the answer. Ara can&#8217;t deny her nature and she becomes increasingly restless in her isolation till she realizes somehow that the answer is idealism. This is the stage in life when we become self-righteous because we think we have found the truth and so we make other people agree with us or else we call them idiots. This stage is similar to the early teens but with less angst. It&#8217;s also a transition period from pseudo-intellectualism/dogmatic acceptance of an ideology to mature intellectual thought. </p>
<p>Late 20s &#8211; Ara becomes more realistic and realizes change is an individual choice and to force others to accept a truth is to be paternalistic and authoritarian. We cannot be absolutely sure of the truth or correctness of our beliefs. This stage describes how Ara becomes a true intellectual.</p>
<p>It seems rather long from the looks of it, but I mimic Tolstoy&#8217;s style in War and Peace where he lingers on significant scenes and fast-forwards the insignificant ones even jumping several months or years. </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
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		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &lt;b&gt;Katierhoda&lt;/b&gt;:
I look forward with excitement to seeing your book. Don&#039;t be perturbed by people who seem to find it within their prerogative to tell people how much or how little they do for their country. Each one of us has our individual sets of talents and skills and therefore each one of us will have our individual ways of taking action.

I think this encapsulates that syndrome of not taking personal accountability for one&#039;s fortunes that grips the Filipino psyche:

- When we succeed it is &quot;by God&#039;s graces&quot;.
- When we fail it is &quot;God&#039;s will&quot;.

There is no room in the above philosophy for the kind of character that takes control of one&#039;s own destiny.</description>
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<p>@ <b>Katierhoda</b>:<br />
I look forward with excitement to seeing your book. Don&#8217;t be perturbed by people who seem to find it within their prerogative to tell people how much or how little they do for their country. Each one of us has our individual sets of talents and skills and therefore each one of us will have our individual ways of taking action.</p>
<p>I think this encapsulates that syndrome of not taking personal accountability for one&#8217;s fortunes that grips the Filipino psyche:</p>
<p>- When we succeed it is &#8220;by God&#8217;s graces&#8221;.<br />
- When we fail it is &#8220;God&#8217;s will&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is no room in the above philosophy for the kind of character that takes control of one&#8217;s own destiny.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle pinoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle pinoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t think of an answer right now, Katierhoda, but I will think about it some more and post at a later time.  In the meantime, since you mentioned that you wanted to write a book on Filipino idiocy and &quot;how it can be be destroyed&quot;, can I ask that you give us a synopsis of your solution(s)?  

Thanks.</description>
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<p>I can&#8217;t think of an answer right now, Katierhoda, but I will think about it some more and post at a later time.  In the meantime, since you mentioned that you wanted to write a book on Filipino idiocy and &#8220;how it can be be destroyed&#8221;, can I ask that you give us a synopsis of your solution(s)?  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Katierhoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katierhoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up, I was taught to not be ambisyosa for two reasons: 1) an ambisyosa woman will likely not be able to fulfill her role as wife and mother because she is focused on her career; 2) masyadong komplikado ang buhay pag mayaman. Ok na ang simpleng buhay dahil walang masyadong iniisip. 
Except, there are many career women out there who are also great mothers and wives; and I don&#039;t want to be the sort of person who is walang iniisip. (Do you ever wonder what&#039;s going on in the tambays&#039; mind when they stand around and stare at stuff? I live in Paco, Manila and I commute so I see a lot of people standing outside their houses just staring at the passing jeepneys.) We have to put ourselves in these people&#039;s shoes to understand why they think like that. It is a sad fact that regardless how loud our voices are, we will always be dismissed by people who have resigned themselves to accepting the typical Pinoy mediocrity. To their minds, there is nothing wrong with mediocrity - instead, it is desirable. But the most annoying fact of all is that Pinoys generally think success is mainly due to a person&#039;s luck not effort. So how do we change this mind-set? Blogs generally only reach the middle-class upwards. There has to be a better way to make people listen - even if they do not think or change their minds (which we have no control over) at least we get them to listen. Missionaries plunged themselves into unfamiliar and dangerous surroundings to convert the pagans. The communists went to the poor distributing the communist manifesto translated into the local language. We need to get out of our comfortable middle-class intellectual existence exchanging ideas with people who already or will likely agree with us. There has to be a better way than writing blogs. Admit it, blog writing, while helpful, is just small potatoes. I want a big potato. I want an explosion. I am currently writing a novel the theme of which is the idiocy of the Filipinos and how it can be destroyed. It is in English because I cannot write in Filipino (but hopefully it will be translated), but a novel can easily infiltrate dogmatic minds especially if the descriptions are so frank and so familiar that people who read it cannot deny it&#039;s truth just like what the Noli and Fili accomplished. I do this becaue this is what I can do. I do not desire to go to law school nor be a politician; but I want to write.

So, what esle can we do that is not small potatoes?</description>
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<p>Growing up, I was taught to not be ambisyosa for two reasons: 1) an ambisyosa woman will likely not be able to fulfill her role as wife and mother because she is focused on her career; 2) masyadong komplikado ang buhay pag mayaman. Ok na ang simpleng buhay dahil walang masyadong iniisip.<br />
Except, there are many career women out there who are also great mothers and wives; and I don&#8217;t want to be the sort of person who is walang iniisip. (Do you ever wonder what&#8217;s going on in the tambays&#8217; mind when they stand around and stare at stuff? I live in Paco, Manila and I commute so I see a lot of people standing outside their houses just staring at the passing jeepneys.) We have to put ourselves in these people&#8217;s shoes to understand why they think like that. It is a sad fact that regardless how loud our voices are, we will always be dismissed by people who have resigned themselves to accepting the typical Pinoy mediocrity. To their minds, there is nothing wrong with mediocrity &#8211; instead, it is desirable. But the most annoying fact of all is that Pinoys generally think success is mainly due to a person&#8217;s luck not effort. So how do we change this mind-set? Blogs generally only reach the middle-class upwards. There has to be a better way to make people listen &#8211; even if they do not think or change their minds (which we have no control over) at least we get them to listen. Missionaries plunged themselves into unfamiliar and dangerous surroundings to convert the pagans. The communists went to the poor distributing the communist manifesto translated into the local language. We need to get out of our comfortable middle-class intellectual existence exchanging ideas with people who already or will likely agree with us. There has to be a better way than writing blogs. Admit it, blog writing, while helpful, is just small potatoes. I want a big potato. I want an explosion. I am currently writing a novel the theme of which is the idiocy of the Filipinos and how it can be destroyed. It is in English because I cannot write in Filipino (but hopefully it will be translated), but a novel can easily infiltrate dogmatic minds especially if the descriptions are so frank and so familiar that people who read it cannot deny it&#8217;s truth just like what the Noli and Fili accomplished. I do this becaue this is what I can do. I do not desire to go to law school nor be a politician; but I want to write.</p>
<p>So, what esle can we do that is not small potatoes?</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problemo, Jon. Reality checks (specially those where I am at the receiving end) always inspire me. That&#039;s often the most misunderstood part of my &quot;style&quot;. I poke a stick at people&#039;s sensibilities and expect to get a robust counter-challenge. In most cases we get lame or adhoministic responses that lead nowhere, instead. :)

You don&#039;t need to be personally amenable to any of my &quot;methods&quot; as I respect your views whatever way they ago relative to mine. As such, I think we do agree on the underlying principles and maybe differ/agree on some of (or aspects of) the applications &lt;i&gt;on top&lt;/i&gt; of those principles.

But, yes, at the end of the day, &lt;i&gt;achievement&lt;/i&gt; is the only way the Philippines will ever get sustainable respect, both from the global community and, more importantly, from its own citizens. No amount of prayer or waving &quot;L&quot; signs will get us that respect.</description>
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<p>No problemo, Jon. Reality checks (specially those where I am at the receiving end) always inspire me. That&#8217;s often the most misunderstood part of my &#8220;style&#8221;. I poke a stick at people&#8217;s sensibilities and expect to get a robust counter-challenge. In most cases we get lame or adhoministic responses that lead nowhere, instead. <img src='http://antipinoy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to be personally amenable to any of my &#8220;methods&#8221; as I respect your views whatever way they ago relative to mine. As such, I think we do agree on the underlying principles and maybe differ/agree on some of (or aspects of) the applications <i>on top</i> of those principles.</p>
<p>But, yes, at the end of the day, <i>achievement</i> is the only way the Philippines will ever get sustainable respect, both from the global community and, more importantly, from its own citizens. No amount of prayer or waving &#8220;L&#8221; signs will get us that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God that&#039;s sad. 

I saw their equally pathetic TV ad for the Les Pu, and it came across as xenophobic. 

RJ should instead be promoting the more awesome craftsmanship of guitarmakers in Cebu (visit the Alegre guitar company in Mactan island to see for yourself). Unfortunately this is also a dying industry (no thanks to China, but life&#039;s like that).

While it&#039;s fine to have a 2000 peso guitar, but if you really want a good industry you&#039;d accommodate a whole market ranging from cheap to high quality.</description>
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<p>God that&#8217;s sad. </p>
<p>I saw their equally pathetic TV ad for the Les Pu, and it came across as xenophobic. </p>
<p>RJ should instead be promoting the more awesome craftsmanship of guitarmakers in Cebu (visit the Alegre guitar company in Mactan island to see for yourself). Unfortunately this is also a dying industry (no thanks to China, but life&#8217;s like that).</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s fine to have a 2000 peso guitar, but if you really want a good industry you&#8217;d accommodate a whole market ranging from cheap to high quality.</p>
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