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	<description>Who really is the anti-pinoy?</description>
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		<title>By: BenK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ UFC,

A lightning-fast primer for you: Socio-economic classes (SECs) are classifications that are tossed about with apparent casualness because A) they&#039;re popular with marketing people, B) their definitions can be vague and controversial, and C) they are strictly relative, in terms of specific thresholds to the country to which they are applied. 

They can be defined in general terms as:

&lt;strong&gt;A - &lt;/strong&gt;Upper/upper middle-class, comprising upper managerial, administrative, and professional workers.
&lt;strong&gt;B - &lt;/strong&gt;Middle-class, comprising intermediate manager, administrative, and professional workers.
&lt;strong&gt;C1 - &lt;/strong&gt;Lower middle-class, comprising junior manager, administrative, and professional workers, supervisory workers, and clerical workers.
&lt;strong&gt;C2 - &lt;/strong&gt;Upper working-class, comprising skilled manual workers and tradesmen.
&lt;strong&gt;D - &lt;/strong&gt;Lower working-class, comprising semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers.
&lt;strong&gt;E - &lt;/strong&gt;Subsistence level, comprising state-supported persons, casual and other lowest-grade workers.

Often you will see just a single &lt;strong&gt;C &lt;/strong&gt;class, which is usually appropriate in economic terms but often misleading in political or social applications. In many societies, the &lt;strong&gt;C2&lt;/strong&gt; class has more in common politically with the &lt;strong&gt;D &lt;/strong&gt;class than with the &lt;strong&gt;C1&lt;/strong&gt; class; this tends to be the case in the U.S., for example. Here in the Philippines, I would reason that the &lt;strong&gt;C &lt;/strong&gt;class could be treated more as a single group.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>@ UFC,</p>
<p>A lightning-fast primer for you: Socio-economic classes (SECs) are classifications that are tossed about with apparent casualness because A) they&#8217;re popular with marketing people, B) their definitions can be vague and controversial, and C) they are strictly relative, in terms of specific thresholds to the country to which they are applied. </p>
<p>They can be defined in general terms as:</p>
<p><strong>A &#8211; </strong>Upper/upper middle-class, comprising upper managerial, administrative, and professional workers.<br />
<strong>B &#8211; </strong>Middle-class, comprising intermediate manager, administrative, and professional workers.<br />
<strong>C1 &#8211; </strong>Lower middle-class, comprising junior manager, administrative, and professional workers, supervisory workers, and clerical workers.<br />
<strong>C2 &#8211; </strong>Upper working-class, comprising skilled manual workers and tradesmen.<br />
<strong>D &#8211; </strong>Lower working-class, comprising semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers.<br />
<strong>E &#8211; </strong>Subsistence level, comprising state-supported persons, casual and other lowest-grade workers.</p>
<p>Often you will see just a single <strong>C </strong>class, which is usually appropriate in economic terms but often misleading in political or social applications. In many societies, the <strong>C2</strong> class has more in common politically with the <strong>D </strong>class than with the <strong>C1</strong> class; this tends to be the case in the U.S., for example. Here in the Philippines, I would reason that the <strong>C </strong>class could be treated more as a single group.</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding Filipino Culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understanding Filipino Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting exchange but PLEASE...before we get to the drama, please EXPLAIN what defines the A B C D E class distinctions!  I hear that term bandied about randomly and wantonly...but no one has taken the time to define it.
Some questions to help guide the conversation:

Is the class distinction based on net worth or income?  If net worth, based on what statistical resource?

Is the class distinction based on education or other reflections of a shared value system?  If so, how is this delineated?  How do you account for overlaps?

Are there regional considerations in regards to class placement?

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<p>Interesting exchange but PLEASE&#8230;before we get to the drama, please EXPLAIN what defines the A B C D E class distinctions!  I hear that term bandied about randomly and wantonly&#8230;but no one has taken the time to define it.<br />
Some questions to help guide the conversation:</p>
<p>Is the class distinction based on net worth or income?  If net worth, based on what statistical resource?</p>
<p>Is the class distinction based on education or other reflections of a shared value system?  If so, how is this delineated?  How do you account for overlaps?</p>
<p>Are there regional considerations in regards to class placement?</p>
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		<title>By: BongV</title>
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		<dc:creator>BongV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Filo:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not a biggie. I don&#039;t recall receiving your email but you can email me &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:wnvicente@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Filo:</p>
<p>Not a biggie. I don&#8217;t recall receiving your email but you can email me <a href="mailto:wnvicente@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">here </a>
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		<title>By: Filo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oo nga ah. &lt;strong&gt;Sorry BongV! &lt;/strong&gt;This is embarrassing. I must&#039;ve gotten a bit mixed up with a number of tabs open here and sa FV. Anyway, BongV&#039;s Idiocy of duh Idiocy is quite an enlightening piece that I now have an even better understanding of why things are the way they are. The indio pov and moro pov were never quite adequately taken up back in school, that all this time the rebel forces in Mindanao all seemed like just plain troublemakers to me (well, the ASG invariably is just a terrorist group, but in my mind I&#039;m guilty of putting them all in the same category). Now history makes more sense. Nice work, BongV!
AP is off to a real good start, you guys!
(btw, BongV did you get my email a few days ago?)</description>
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<p>Oo nga ah. <strong>Sorry BongV! </strong>This is embarrassing. I must&#8217;ve gotten a bit mixed up with a number of tabs open here and sa FV. Anyway, BongV&#8217;s Idiocy of duh Idiocy is quite an enlightening piece that I now have an even better understanding of why things are the way they are. The indio pov and moro pov were never quite adequately taken up back in school, that all this time the rebel forces in Mindanao all seemed like just plain troublemakers to me (well, the ASG invariably is just a terrorist group, but in my mind I&#8217;m guilty of putting them all in the same category). Now history makes more sense. Nice work, BongV!<br />
AP is off to a real good start, you guys!<br />
(btw, BongV did you get my email a few days ago?)</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
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		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Filo. But BongV actually authored this brilliant article. :)</description>
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<p>Thanks Filo. But BongV actually authored this brilliant article. <img src='http://antipinoy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Filo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man I love this part: These days, the arrogance of ignorance is so pervasive that I feel confident in making a small wager: Ten bucks says that the worst offenders will read these words and wonder, “Who is this joker talking about?” 
 
Well put together yet again, Benigz! Spot on.
It is exactly the arrogance of ignorance among a great many that keeps us ever so near yet so far from solving societal problems in this pigsty of a democracy.</description>
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<p>Man I love this part: These days, the arrogance of ignorance is so pervasive that I feel confident in making a small wager: Ten bucks says that the worst offenders will read these words and wonder, “Who is this joker talking about?”<br />
 <br />
Well put together yet again, Benigz! Spot on.<br />
It is exactly the arrogance of ignorance among a great many that keeps us ever so near yet so far from solving societal problems in this pigsty of a democracy.</p>
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